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October 15th 2006 05:51
Admit it, as a bonified music snob, you love to teach people about music. You love to be the one that knows who was in the frontier of a new sound revolution. You love to know the names of bands before anyone else does. You love it that you know more about music than any of your friends...and above all else...you love to turn them on to music you have discovered...don't you?
*Nodding* It's ok...I know. I'm a snob, too.
Now, I have to tell you that I am sort of, how do I put this and not lose my credibility...I am a newly converted snob, previous tier to this tier, thanks to a friend of mine.
I will not give my friend total credit for what I now know about music. I have always loved music. The difference is that at this moment, I refer to songs on the Hinder CD, for example, by their actual names instead of going, "I like track 4." I am also much more open to new music than in the past because of my friend. But the love of music, sorry...that's mine.
I love turning people on to Alice in Chains. Everyone thinks of heroin addicts and loud raunchy music with them, -(and here is where I am going to give it my damnedest to turn someone on right now)-, if you feel that way, then I want you to do for Voices is this...find a copy of 'Jar of Flies'. Its an EP, just six songs. You will experience musical bliss listening to this cd. It is also, if you happen to be an AIC fan who also wants to convert, the most likely cd to get someone onto AIC. There is a profound amount of talent and variety on that cd.
Now, back to the tiers, you may be asking, "What do you mean, tier?" Well, I think there are different tiers to music knowledge and snobbery. I am not introducing anything new here. Music has always been, in and of itself, snobbish and upperclassman-like. When a new artist comes out, what do they call their debut album? Their freshman cd, then sophmore and so on.
Tiers of snobbery are similar.
FIRST TIER: You are the person who just loves the songs you love. You don't listen to anything else and you may not even really pay attention to the lyrics of the songs you do like. You may be a purely "If it's got a good beat and I can dance to it" kind of person. Just so you are aware, if you relate to this particular tier...you are on the bottom of the music snobbery food chain. Just because you are listed first, well, we save the best for last.
SECOND TIER: You love music. But you are pretty limited to one genre. Usually its even more defined that that and includes one decade of one genre. You do like the lyrics but you are more impressed with how many hits someone has or awards they have won than you are with actual talent. You also refer to songs on the cds not by title but track number. It apparently has not hit you yet that grammys are a dime a dozen and real talent is often passed up. Don't worry, you will get there.
THIRD TIER: (This is where I am at right now, btw.) You are discerning. You do not take someone's word that music is good, you have to really like it to buy it. You immediately read cd jackets and you are a little anal with your cds. You aren't likely to loan them and if you do, you will demand that they are returned in the same condition they left in. You spend time looking up lyrics, finding out who wrote them. You are in a good place musically. You are getting there, you make efforts to learn and you want to learn more, always more. Lyrics need to mean something to make it worthwhile to you. Good on ya', Mate!
FOURTH TIER: You are an avid concert goer. You know things that most people, well, honestly could care less about. You know all about where sound orginates from, you know all groups, you also know music that you don't like. You ridicule people for their music choices. Not just the groups they like, but people. You like to think that you know more than anyone else does about music. Well, you do. And most people don't care...but you do have an impressive amount of knowledge. Kudos to the Master.
And finally,
FIFTH TIER: You are a walking encyclopedia and no one likes you anymore. Well done, Sinsai.
Tell me where your influence came from to love music the way you do. If you could pick one artist to turn someone on to, who would it be? Include name of artist, song title and why...
*Nodding* It's ok...I know. I'm a snob, too.
Now, I have to tell you that I am sort of, how do I put this and not lose my credibility...I am a newly converted snob, previous tier to this tier, thanks to a friend of mine.
I will not give my friend total credit for what I now know about music. I have always loved music. The difference is that at this moment, I refer to songs on the Hinder CD, for example, by their actual names instead of going, "I like track 4." I am also much more open to new music than in the past because of my friend. But the love of music, sorry...that's mine.
I love turning people on to Alice in Chains. Everyone thinks of heroin addicts and loud raunchy music with them, -(and here is where I am going to give it my damnedest to turn someone on right now)-, if you feel that way, then I want you to do for Voices is this...find a copy of 'Jar of Flies'. Its an EP, just six songs. You will experience musical bliss listening to this cd. It is also, if you happen to be an AIC fan who also wants to convert, the most likely cd to get someone onto AIC. There is a profound amount of talent and variety on that cd.
Now, back to the tiers, you may be asking, "What do you mean, tier?" Well, I think there are different tiers to music knowledge and snobbery. I am not introducing anything new here. Music has always been, in and of itself, snobbish and upperclassman-like. When a new artist comes out, what do they call their debut album? Their freshman cd, then sophmore and so on.
Tiers of snobbery are similar.
FIRST TIER: You are the person who just loves the songs you love. You don't listen to anything else and you may not even really pay attention to the lyrics of the songs you do like. You may be a purely "If it's got a good beat and I can dance to it" kind of person. Just so you are aware, if you relate to this particular tier...you are on the bottom of the music snobbery food chain. Just because you are listed first, well, we save the best for last.
SECOND TIER: You love music. But you are pretty limited to one genre. Usually its even more defined that that and includes one decade of one genre. You do like the lyrics but you are more impressed with how many hits someone has or awards they have won than you are with actual talent. You also refer to songs on the cds not by title but track number. It apparently has not hit you yet that grammys are a dime a dozen and real talent is often passed up. Don't worry, you will get there.
THIRD TIER: (This is where I am at right now, btw.) You are discerning. You do not take someone's word that music is good, you have to really like it to buy it. You immediately read cd jackets and you are a little anal with your cds. You aren't likely to loan them and if you do, you will demand that they are returned in the same condition they left in. You spend time looking up lyrics, finding out who wrote them. You are in a good place musically. You are getting there, you make efforts to learn and you want to learn more, always more. Lyrics need to mean something to make it worthwhile to you. Good on ya', Mate!
FOURTH TIER: You are an avid concert goer. You know things that most people, well, honestly could care less about. You know all about where sound orginates from, you know all groups, you also know music that you don't like. You ridicule people for their music choices. Not just the groups they like, but people. You like to think that you know more than anyone else does about music. Well, you do. And most people don't care...but you do have an impressive amount of knowledge. Kudos to the Master.
And finally,
FIFTH TIER: You are a walking encyclopedia and no one likes you anymore. Well done, Sinsai.
Tell me where your influence came from to love music the way you do. If you could pick one artist to turn someone on to, who would it be? Include name of artist, song title and why...
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Comment by Homer Joyce
I will openly admit that I am a musical snob (or is that Nobs (nob supreme)?
If I had my way, I’d make everyone listen to the music from Corpus Christi, most especially the Tantum Ergo by St Thomas Aquinas (and everything Gregorian Chantish) until they got it into their head that the Divine Office and Liturgical Music like a Missa Cantata is music created for the soul, not music that was created to appeal to the lower (base) passions of our human nature, and turn us all into pagans.
You didn’t create a category for me. I belong to the Sixth Tier: Archaic Retro Snobs (I go back a bit further than the Retro 70s Snobs) …
I would also make everyone attend a Requiem Mass and listen to the Dies Irae (sung by monks like the Benedictines of Solesme) …and make each person fill out the following questionnaire: Was that the most haunting melody you have ever heard or not? [No yes or no answers. Please expand. And I will not accept not as an answer].
Failing all that. I’ll just sit at home and listen to Bruce Springsteen’s Nebraska, and let everyone listen to whatever it is that takes their fancy.
Homer
PS I will not post any details about how much I love you … people will only talk or write about it …
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
As for the P.S., let them talk....I don't care if you don't care!
Back to music, I do see your point...I will need to add another category for you. See below.
SIXTH TIER: You are alone in your intelligence, my dear sweet friend. Everyone who meets up with you and who is graced by the spoken word is in awe. Dead music legends communicate with you regularly. Today's potentially great Dead Music Legends send you sheets of music, wadded up, requesting your blessing, so that they may finish writing their work...You are all music snobs chosen idol of worship. *Bowing*
Come back,
Voices~
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
I neglected to mention that I find Gregorian chants incredibly beautiful. I have a cd of them and when it storms and lightening is streaking across the sky, I sit in the dark with just candles burning, listening to it. Kudos on that mention...
Voices~
Comment by Homer Joyce
Your ability to dissect, disseminate, absorb / feed off what someone else has written, then regurgitate it into something better, leads me to believe you belong to the 7th Tier of Writers ...
There's something analogous about how birds feed their young in that ...
Homer ...
Comment by tinkster
deal and will always be. My entire family loves music, therefore, all credit goes to them. I love turning
everybody on to everything. Music and everything about it makes me smile, and sharing that with
others is just fucking great. I love it that you are where you're at with music, voices. Recently I
turned my friends on to the Fray. I found them last Christmas; bought the CD, and the lyrics were
incredible. I knew they would be hot, and they started hitting the radio probably around April. I had
the pleasure of going with friends to see them in concert. Now their second single is on the radio, and
yeah I called it almost a year ago....Okay enough of that. Alice in Chains is the band that I love to turn
people on to. I know how they make me feel, and I want others to be able to feel that because it's
great, and it's legal. Music is one of my best friends, and has always been something I turn to. Voices,
it's so nice to have someone to share my passion with.
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
7th tier...how do I know if that is a compliment? I don't know if there are 7 tiers total and I have reached the pinnacle or if there are 20 and I am no where near there. What if there are just 7 tiers, is 7 the highest or lowest? hmmmm. *smile* Thank you...you make my day..really. *bowing*
Come back,
Voices~
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
I think I must have been thinking of you when I wrote that then...
Come back, fellow snob, future Sinsai.
Voices~
Comment by Homer Joyce
I made that up. Now I have to go and create a list of the tiers of writers ...
1st Tier: Illiterate people who say. If I could read I could write, and you'd better believe it buddy. Don't you worry about that.
Well I won't be worrying about that. Don't you worry about me worrying about that. Mind you, I am a bit worried about you ...
2ndTier: Those who read and think they wrote the book.
These are the type of readers who destroy your pleasure in reading. They will tell you the entire story (ending included) in an effort to fire you up with enthusisasm to read the book, and then call you a tosser when you point out to them that all they have really achieved is ruining the experience totally for you, and that their taste in literature sucks anyway.
What made you think I was interested in the first instance? Do I have a sign on my head? I like associating with selfish, boring, introspective, individualistic, singular people? It wouldn't fit, you moron!
The 2nd Tier is very intellectually proud in nature.
3rd Tier: Those who dream or speak of writing but never put pen to paper or fingers to keyboard.
This includes people who, when they meet a writer, they tell the writer of the story they plan to write (the one they've been meaning to for ages), in the hope that the writer will write it for them, and they can take the credit for it. Or that the writer will teach them how to write free of charge.
The 3rd Tier is very sycophantic in nature.
4th Tier: Those who send other people's writing via email, and thinks that qualifies them as writers (and comedians) ...
These are the type of people you meet in social situations who prefix every joke with: Listen to this. You'll piss yourself laughing.
I know that as soon as they say that, I'm going to be unable to laugh when they deliver the punchline.
Or they are the type of people who never communciate in the real sense about real issues, but get them onto the subject of themselves and their ability to be financially independent? ... * excuse me while I vomit. There is such a thing as transparency.
The 3rd Tier is very corporate in nature.
Yep ... I can see already I've put you in the wrong Tier.
I'll get back to you ...
Homer ...
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
You have just described all of my other "voices". I do hope the 7th tier is the one that will make me a ton of money. I have a friend I am considering moving to America so that we may write brilliant things together.
Voices~
Comment by Homer Joyce
the problem with the 7th Tier (which may now be the 15th due to you compelling me to write the list) ...
So the problem with the 15th Tier is, by the time you get there, the money means nothing to you anymore ... you've had to make it by other means to subsidise your writing ...
Homer ...
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
So, I see I am in like company on the 15th tier with the brilliant artists of our time, especially one I can think of in particular...I am honored...
Voices~
Comment by Homer Joyce
as tantalising as the prospect of sharing the 15th Tier with you is ...
(and this one is for the shared blog and all those desperate housewives out there),
I would much rather share your bed ...
What a shame we live oceans apart ...
I feel a poem coming on ... sorry to take over your blog ...
Another World
I caught her swimming
in the ocean
of my eyes;
unnamed blues and greens
swirling, changing hues
at will
I lost myself in a sea
of delight
blinded by the glint
of hazel sparkles
dancing on the crests
of emerald waves
We surged together
like two tidal waves embracing
rising to dizzy (giddy) heights
never before seen …
in the exchange
of fluids
we mingled together
as one
rushed
like young lovers
wherever
the tide told us to go
going with the ebb and flow
and finally came
to rest
like two weary sailors
on some eternal shore ...
But we live oceans apart …
and mabye always will …
“And so we beat on … boats against the current … “ (F. Scott Fitzgerald ‘The Great Gatsby’) …
Homer ...
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
Homer,
I feel a complaint to Orble coming on...
"To Whom it May Concern:
Did you know that dusting wax causes blindness..."
*smile*
I love the poem...I do...
Voices~
Comment by Hellvis
Earache Hotel
Nirvana got me into music when I was about twelve and it just snowballed from there. Listening to the band in interviews led me into the world of underground punk rock and lots of strange noisy bands. There are countless artists I would like to turn people onto, but the reason no one has heard of them is because: a) they are willfully obscure; and b) they make weird ugly music that only slightly damaged people like me finds enjoyable.
One artist who I'd like to turn people onto and who isn't too obscure or unlistenable for most people is Tom Waits (although his music can get pretty rough and fucked-up). I have posted some MP3s from his upcoming album on my blog:
New Tom Waits MP3s
Yes, this is a gratuitious plug (for me and Tom).
P.S. I grew up listening to Alice in Chains. Gotta get me another copy of Jar of Flies (with the Sap EP) and their third, self-titled album with the three-legged-dog on the front (which is affectionately known by fans as Tripod).
Comment by tinkster
just turn somebody on to him. Glad to hear that Nirvana got you into music. Pennyroyal Tea is my
song by Kurt and the boys. How about you?
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
http://www.anti.com/artist.php?id=1
This site seems to have a lot of information on Wait.
I know you were addressing Hellvis, but since I am the moderator for this blog, I hope you don't mind my two cents worth...Pennyroyal Tea was never my cup of tea, but then, I am not to the level of snobbery that you and Hellvis are...which brings a thought for a new post...
"Does higher music snobbery = bad taste in music?" JUST KIDDING, I tease, I jest, I joke. *bowing respectfully*
Have a good one and come back,
Voices~
Comment by tinkster
more you want to know. This is the reason I asked about Tom Wait. I am okay with anyone turning
me on to something new because that just adds more pleasure to my life.
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
I am going to let you in on a big secret...but you have to promise not to tell, it would ruin my credibility as a self-professed music snob.
I joke around...alot.
The reference to a new post...just a joke. I hope you really love Tom Waits...I know that when my good friend, the one who turned me into a bigger snob than I was, turned me on to AIC, it was truly one of the greatest moments for me...Let us know if you love Waits...I would love to be somewhat responsible for furthering your knowledge...
Come back,
Voices~
Comment by tinkster
It sounds like your friend opened a few things up when turning you on to AIC. Layne and the boys
struck a nerve in you that has made you want to be "all knowing" in the music industry. I know that
your friend is very happy to have done this to you, because now you can share this together.
I can remember the day you were told to listen to Number 1(Nutshell), and #4,#6, and etc. " So there's
problems in your life that's fucked up and I'm not blind. I'm just see-through faded. super jaded and
out of my mind" Keep rockin
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
Mmmmm, all knowing? Nahhh...who would want to know about all the bad music out there, and there is a lot of it. Mariah Carey....but I digress...
My friend did sell me on AIC, the first album I ever listened to was their MTV Unplugged performance, which I now have on DVD and cd...click on the following link for an amazing experience. I am still mesmerized by Staley's performance:
http://www.amazon.com/Alice-Chains-MTV-Unplugged/dp/1573301183
Thanks and do come back...
Voices~
Comment by tinkster
all those things, but my riah can sing. I have seen her in concert, last month actually. She performed.
It was pretty good. I hate it when she screams, but she can sing. Okay back to business, Layne
was mesmorizing in the unplugged DVD. I cannot take my eyes off of his or his sunglasses...I think
I might have to watch that tonight. Thanks and good to your friend for turning you on to AIC. Anything
else?
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
My friend did, in fact, introduce me to AIC, however, it wasn't long before I was educating my friend on AIC...some things you just can't take total credit for, no matter how big of a music snob you are, you know?
Additionally, let's back up a bit on "riah" or mimi or fuckin butterfly, that woman has more nicknames than I can keep up with really. l'll be the first to admit that she was blessed with a flap of skin in her throat that physically allows her to sing. She really had to work hard to get that. Now, can she play guitar? Drums? Does she write her own music? What do you suppose would happen to "riah" if she were no longer able to sing, a talent that is debatable since she really doesn't have anything to do with her ability to sing. Lets go one step further...
If Mariah could sing but no one would pay her to do it and therefore, assuming she would never tragically be able to buy BBB's. (bigger and better boobies), do you think that "Riah" would still sing? Would she be willing to be evicted from her home, live in her car, if she couldn't get paid to sing? Now before you answer that, remember, no one would be there to hold the pink lighting over her that she requires as a part of her contract rider.
Listen, I know alot of people like her. I know you like her. She is famous and rich due to her famous pipes, that and she fucked the big M. But lets make one thing very clear. We are talking about ARTISTS on this site. An artist is different than a performer. Here is a good way to tell the difference between the two. If you see more skin on a performer than you hear from them and if you know more about their fucking love life than you do their lyrics, 'nuff said.
You started it. (you know better.)
Come back,
Voices~
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Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
By the way I love to plug my gig.
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
Musicians are transcendent of tiers...they are what we seek to be...except for the guy who plays the tambourine and the cowbell. They are strictly back at Tier one...I've said it and I won't apologize...you know you were all thinking it.
And BTW, Damo, anytime you want to plug a gig, come on in and let me know when it is and where...I will post it up for you...I just got my domain and I will be offering more things like this as a sacrificial offering to the gods of rock.
Come back,
Voices~
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
Tell me more about 'Mental as Anything'. I was recently reading a book that mentioned them...and I wondered what they sounded like. Can you give me an example of who they might sound like?
Thanks for commenting, and btw, I tried to respond earlier and thought it took, but apparently it never did. Sorry about that. My comments are usually responded to pretty quick..
Thanks and come back,
Voices~
Comment by Homer Joyce
Excuse me Ruth for butting in ...
But when it comes to Mental as Anything ... I should be allowed to have my say ...
When were more absurd lyrics written (that made more sense) than when they wrote:
If you leave me, can I come too?
Homer ...
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
I think that I would like them. Are they Australian? You know, we Americans have a passion for Australian things...they would probably do well here, if that's the case. In fact, I think you should come to America. We would eat you alive, you're so talented.
Come back.
Voices~
Comment by Homer Joyce
I'd let you eat me alive because I know that I wouldn't die afterwards ... and you would want to eat me alive again ...
but not before I returned the favour ... (that's an Aussie custom btw ...
There is an Aussie expression ... I could drink you under the table (which is supposed to mean, my dick is bigger than yours, I can drink more than you ... and in this drinking competiton you will end up on the floor under the table ...
but I prefer to put a different interpretation on the words myself ...
if you know what I mean *winking back atcha ...
Homer ...
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
Naughty, naughty boy.
Come back,
Voices~
P.S. Soon, people are going to start leaving comments that we should just get a room.
Comment by Homer Joyce
Every comment they leave adds to your vote count ...
How can we get a room together when you live in Indiana and I live in Melbourne?
Perhaps you could invite your fan-base to find a solution to that question so both of us can get our sexual frustrations out of the way and return to blogging about music and words ...
Or call for donations?
The Voices / Homer charity fund? Charity funds have been set up for many less worthwhile ventures ...
Homer ...
PS: Don't tell anyone but I'm Googling Room.com ...
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
What a worthwhile cause...it makes everyone want to get out their tissues.
Come back, I do think we have gotten seriously offtrack here...
Voices~
Comment by Hellvis
Earache Hotel
Songs that Tom Waits has done, which you may have heard
"Goin' Out West"
"The Earth Died Screaming"
"Big In Japan"
"Alice"
"Downtown Train"
"Jersey Girl"
There's so many, I don't know where to begin or end. The article Voices posted up is a pretty good introduction if you like reading lengthy artists histories, which is essential if you want to be a music snob. If I had to name an album to start with it'd have to be Mule Variations, cuz it's got a little bit of everything he does, but it's in no way his best album.
As for my fave Nirvana track, I'm probably going to have to show my weird noise-lovin' streak and say "Endless Nameless," which is ridiculously heavy and messed-up, but this is the sort of stuff I really love. I love the pretty stuff like “Pennyroyal Tea,” too, and the way the In Utero album blended their caustic and noisy stuff with catchy pop songs.
Comment by Hellvis
Earache Hotel
I don't think you have to write your own songs or play an instrument to be a true 'artist,' either. Ella Fitzgerald wasn't a songwriter or musician, but I defy anyone to deny that she is an artist.
This doesn't mean I like Mariah Carey either. When it comes down to it, Mariah is a pop star. She doesn't push any boundaries or advance the art of music in any way. She is safe and pretty, which is just what some people are looking for. I don't have any problem with that, as long as I don't have to listen to it.
Comment by Hellvis
Earache Hotel
Mental as Anything already tried to conquer the States in the '80s, around the same time that Men at Work were huge over there. Mental as Anything bombed. Still a fun band though.
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Hellvis, I'll have to remember the mentals song that the guys at work do know. There was one particular one that got some airplay in the states. Apparently Icehouse was pretty popular too.
Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
Musos are now above the tier system, I feel so godlike.
BTW
I'm playing in Melbourne tommorrow night 18/10/06 at the The Horse Bazaar- I go by the name of THE GOOD OMEN.
More details can be found at www.clananalogue.org
Comment by Hellvis
Earache Hotel
That was my favourite song as a kid.
Comment by Single Bloke
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Mentals are another iconic Aussie rock band - great talent and humour. If you know of the "Mambo" surf label, then you have seen the artwork of one of their original members, Reg Mombassa.
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Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
See we have lots in common...I am right between tiers three and four, too.
love the pic btw, but then, you knew that didn't you?
I get obsessed with artists when I am first turned on to them. Right now, I am all about Jonny Lang and Janis Joplin. Soaking up everything I can find about them.
Rock on... :c)
Come back,
Voices~
Comment by Anonymous
many different people have borrowed. Definitely British artist and a great feel good cd. Here are
some lyrics to the song and cd title "Laid"
This bed is on fire
With passionate love
The neighbors complain about the noises above
But she only cums when she's on top
My therapist said not to see you no more
She said you're like a disease without any cure
She said I'm so obsessed that I'd become a bore, oh no
Ah, you think you're so pretty
Caught your hand inside the till
Slammed your fingers in the door
Fought with kitchen knives and skewers
Dressed me up in women's clothes
Messed around with gender roles
Dye my eyes and call me pretty
Moved out of the house, so you moved next door
I locked you out, you cut a hole in the wall
I found you sleeping next to me, I thought I was alone
You're driving me crazy, when are you coming home
Comment by Anonymous
must own something by the CLASH......sheriff don't like it, Rock the casbah!!!!
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
Come back,
Voices~
Comment by tinkster
the artist that did the infamous "sledgehammer". You might check out some of his lyrics. I do think
the "Drill a wire" song is scary, those lyrics are a little scary. Maybe you can think of a way to soften
them up for me.
Comment by The Voices in my Head
The Voices in my Head
Come back,
Voices~